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[dennisg]

let me share this, it may help you.

about 10 or 12 years ago i was put on this drug because of getting up in the night for a leak problem, common for a lot of people.

it is also an anti depression drug with several unpleasant side affects, anyway 8 day's ago i decided to get of these pills.

my dosage was 4x25 miligramme nightly. being an inpatient (stupid?) man i decided to go cold turkey and knocked them off immediately, so first 2 nights i slept normally. the next night i couldn't sleep at all, this was 8 nights ago.

in the following 8 nights i reckon i had in total 10 hours sleep across those 8 nights. last night, after talking to a neighbour who is a retired industrial chemist who persuaded me through logical argument that i should recommence taking them at a dosage of 3x25 milligrame nightly. so last night i managed to sleep 7 hours straight through. then after a week at this dose i am to reduce the dose to 2x25 for a fortnight, then 1x25 after another 2 weeks, then he suggests after 2 weeks again i should crush 1x25 tablet and dissolve in a glass of water and sip this as and when required through the night if unable to sleep, again for 2 weeks.

so thats my plan, i'll let you know how i get on. i think this is just a very good example of doctors prescribing drugs that are inappropiate for the individual patient and then leaving them on these pills with no follow up, your just left to take them for the rest of your life, i should stress it wasn't my gp but my neuroligist who started me on these. needless to say ive changed to another one now.

[Kimmy]

Hope things work out well Dennis.

[dennisg]

thank's kimmy,
the thing that made me want to come off them above all else, was a piece in the news about there being a very strong link between this drug and dementia, as you know my brother was diagnosed with vascular dementia last year, and he really is going worse month by month.

[dennisg]

now down to 2 x 25mg, slept ok last night. i'll stay on this dose for 2 weeks then reduce to 1 x 25mg

[Kimmy]

[dennisg]

update.............

i got down to 1 tablet nightly but just couldn't sleep. i persevered for 2 week's at this level until i just couldn't carry on with no sleep, so i had to up it to 2 tablets nightly. i really don't know what to do from here onwards. any suggestions welcome.

[Kimmy]

Very difficult Dennis. It's awful when you are unable to sleep it upsets your whole life.

One thing I found helped was to put up black out blinds at the bedroom window and dark curtains. Also when you wake up don't look at thr time. Just set an alarm for the time you want to get up and forget about it. Even if you have to go to the toilet in the night don't look at the time. It is of course more difficult light nights and mornings for sleeping. I have used Night Nurse in the past which helped for a few nights but I think your body soon gets use to different things. Might be worth giving Night Nurse a try.

[BC]

This website has a lot of information on food in relation to disease, and how what we're eating can either cause or help a wide variety of serious ailments:

nutritionfacts.org/

From what I understand, changing what we eat may treat the actual cause of the problem, not just the symptoms.

Best wishes.

[dennisg]

thank you kimmy and bc

bc, purely by coincidence we have had a lady visit where i live (sheltered housing) for the past few weeks giving talks and demos on healthy eating, she only eats plant based foods with a total absence of sugar but natural sugars are ok. no dairy either, if appearances are anything to go buy she is a definite good advert for it, she's as fit as a fiddle and pushing 60yrs old.

i may give it a try.


kimmy,
the problem i'm having is getting to sleep in the first place, once i'm asleep i'm ok most nights, it's really taking it's toll on me.

[BC]

Jul 11, 2018 20:28:40 GMT dennisg said:

bc, purely by coincidence we have had a lady visit where i live (sheltered housing) for the past few weeks giving talks and demos on healthy eating, she only eats plant based foods with a total absence of sugar but natural sugars are ok. no dairy either, if appearances are anything to go buy she is a definite good advert for it, she's as fit as a fiddle and pushing 60yrs old.

i may give it a try.

I've been eating mostly plant-based for the last 5 years.

I'm 58 and my only health problems are self-induced (muscular, tendons and back pain due to overdoing exercise, and weight fluctuations when my sweet tooth gets the better of me).

I'm glad you're considering trying it - the website I've posted the link to is a treasure trove of information. And if you're a reader, I'd recommend his book: "How not to die" by Dr Michael Gregor.

[dennisg]

thank you bc

i will give it a go starting monday, i do my shopping then.

[dennisg]

update re plant based diet

had a bad start with upset stomach due i think to a vegetable stir fry, but, i'm not eating meat but i must say i do miss fish, of which i'm a great lover. still having milk in my brews (mainly tea) though.

oddly enough i do feel 'better', i.e. mentally sharper and slightly less arthritis pain. i will keep to it though as it's easy enough to follow.

[Kimmy]

Good news.

[BC]

Here are a few videos that may help:

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Osteoarthritis

We've been taking turmeric for a few years - it's supposed to be good at reducing inflammation and repairing DNA. We mix turmeric spice with black pepper (which helps absorption) into blank capsules. A bit of a palava to make up, but a small price to pay for health.

Turmeric for both

With regard to milk, we've found that unsweetened soya 'milk' is the best substitute that we can find. The supermarket brands are best, (I have only tried Tesco, Sainsburys and Morrison) not Alpro, which has a distinctive taste, as has 'lite'.

Best wishes.